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Yesterday, Alabama signed HB 56 into law. “This is an Arizona bill with an Alabama twist,” Alabama Rep. Micky Hammon, one of the bill’s proponents, said. In other words, it's the harshest crackdown on undocumented immigrants in the country. But what I want to know is: Where's the outrage?
That "twist" means that it has all the elements of Arizona's controversial Senate Bill 1070, and then some. Like Arizona, police will have to investigate and detain anyone they have “reasonable suspicion” to believe may be here illegally.
Alabama's New Immigration Law Is Worse Than SB1070. Where's the Outrage?
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This bill extends its reach to virtually every part of undocumented immigrants' lives, and organizations like the ACLU say they'll fight back. Yet, unlike the deafening national outcry against Arizona's law last year, regular people don't seem very upset.
The most obvious reason why the news has been quieter is that HB 56 is sure to face a legal challenge. After the hoopla surrounding Arizona's law, it's been stalled indefinitely by a federal judge with no updates since July. Georgia signed a similar law and was slapped with legal opposition. Also, the rest of the country doesn't have much leverage against Alabama. No gorgeous state parks, no resorts, no booming golf economy, no NBA or major league baseball team. It's not like an Alabama boycott would leave their economy in shambles.
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But victories like the one against a bill in Kentucky show that even incredibly conservative states can organize against racist and fear-mongering bills. Take a hint from the Capitol Nine and stage an act of civil disobedience. Create or join local solidarity groups. Challenge your favorite celebrity on Twitter to speak out against the law (that @!$%# really works!). It's too late to defeat Alabama's bill in the legislature, but it's not too late to make some noise.
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It was only faux outrage for the Arizona one. People who are against cracking down on illegal immigration and those who support it / turning a blind eye to it or just as guilty. Being sympathetic to blatant law breakers who have zero respect for our nations laws and rules and letting the problem continue to get out of hand and cost tax payers billions upon billions upon billions of dollars annually is pathetic. Either come here legally like everyone else has to or get the @!$%# out.
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Yeah breaking civil crimes like jay walking... gotta crack down on people like that. Anyway, we want to be more like 1930s Germany, so this is a good start. [/s]
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No, breaking the immigration and right-to-work laws - these are the crimes.
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I feel guilty. I haven't had much outrage about Alabama because I've never been there and probably will never go there....which is no excuse. But Arizona is right next door and my daughter (and other relatives) was living there, so I took it very personally when they passed SB1070.
But I consider myself called out, McSpocky, and appropriately so!
Here's one excuse however....
Isn't only about 3% of Alabama's population Hispanic, while about 35% of Arizona's is Hispanic? Sucks for the 3% who are going to be racially profiled, but SB1070 would have impacted a third of the Arizona population. Just sayin'....
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How did not getting a stamp in your passport turn into a crime worse than murder, that's what I'd like to know.
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How did not getting a stamp in your passport turn into a crime worse than murder, that's what I'd like to know.
From I read in the news a lot of them time not getting a stamp into your passport is step 1, murder is step 2. In case of drug dealing the percentage is much higher.
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Sucks for the 3% who are going to be racially profiled, but SB1070 would have impacted a third of the Arizona population. Just sayin'....
Except no where in the SB1070 bill is there ANY language that says racial profiling will be going on based on anything.
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apart from the part where those suspected have to prove their innocence, i don't see any problem with this.
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No, breaking the immigration and right-to-work laws - these are the crimes.
So called "Right to work" laws... Another JOKE! I'm not laughing though, since they have greatly hurt the American worker.
And the fight against illegal immigrants is just a right wing smoke screen to keep people from seeing how it is really the right that is screwing this country.
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And the fight against illegal immigrants is just a right wing smoke screen to keep people from seeing how it is really the right that is screwing this country.
Thank you for explaining this to a guy who spent two years waiting to get into this country legally. I feel so much better now.
Really the fight to reward law-breakers, and introduce more garbage into our already stressed economy is just a smoke screen to keep people form seeing how it is really the left that is screwing this country. Royally.
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LOL I see you have eaten the propaganda hook, line and sinker. That's okay, there are a lot of other people who have fallen for the lies as well... You're not alone.
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Yeah breaking civil crimes like jay walking... gotta crack down on people like that.
The day-to-day existence of an illegal alien is habitual criminal offending. Yes, criminal not just civil.
Over 85% of all illegals DO NOT have a legal SSN or ITIN for taxation purposes.
Tax evasion, driving w\o license, driving without insurance, identity theft, document fraud, entitlement fraud, improper entry into country, not carrying VISA\immigration papers, fraudulent vehicle title\registration, etc...
"It's just a civil crime" is false.
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Facts can be funny. Denial is not.
BTW, LOL isn't a very effective debate tactic.
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I'm not going to change your mind and you aren't going to change mine... so it's easier just to lol. :)
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I'm not going to change your mind and you aren't going to change mine... so it's easier just to lol. :)
Why would you not change your mind when faced with the irrefutable facts? That is simply denial and outside of reason. Maintaining false beliefs in the face of the facts is intellectual dishonesty.
How can you logically explain that? Especially considering the purpose of this site is to exchange facts and gain greater understanding about topics.
There is nothing wrong with being wrong.
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I see you have eaten the propaganda hook, line and sinker.
Let me see - I am paraphrasing your own BS, using your words almost verbatim, and you accusing me of swallowing the propaganda? Please let me know where you live, I'd like to give you a gift of a mirror.
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Why would you not change your mind when faced with the irrefutable facts?
I don't know why you wouldn't, but I have provided a plethora of pages of facts, and you won't change your mind...so I have given up trying to change you mind...
Nuff said.
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Maybe, just maybe the people have pulled their heads from their butts and realized that these laws (passed in Arizona, Georgia and Alabama) are effective.
Just because they prove the Federal Government lazy and incompetent doesn't mean that the laws are wrong.
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#2 - Sat Jun 11, 2011 7:45 PM EDTAnd what about the article about border agents being so bored because there's too many of them and too few people trying to cross. Facts like this just get lost in the midst of right-wing lies.
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^ That's complete bull@!$%#. National Geographic just did a series on it. There are over 1000 arrests daily on our Southern Border and there are so many illegal crossings daily.. they don't have the manpower or resources to catch them all. Around a million infractions annually. All they can do is there best. They are not sitting around "bored". If you believe that.. then you drank the kool aid.
agents on the U.S.-Mexico border these days have to deal with a more mundane occupational reality: the boredom of guarding a frontier where illegal crossings have dipped to record low levels.
Apprehensions along the Southwest border overall dropped more than two-thirds from 2000 to 2010, from 1.6 million to 448,000, and almost every region has lonely posts where agents sit for hours staring at the barrier, watching the "fence rust" as some put it.
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And what about the article about border agents being so bored because there's too many of them and too few people trying to cross. Facts like this just get lost in the midst of right-wing lies.
Good point. The right is so used to lying though that they can't see past their own lies.
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McSpocky
It seems that this law (like the AZ law) is trying to accomplish what the federal authorities refuse to do (their job).
Are there better ways to accomplish control of the illegal immigration problem, probably but the federal authorities (ICE and DOJ) seem to not want to enforce the laws already on the books so the states are trying to get it done on their own.
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#3 - Sat Jun 11, 2011 7:53 PM EDTAudits under the Obama administration have sky rocketed:
In the fiscal year that ended Sept. 30, 2010, ICE conducted audits of more than 2,740 companies, nearly twice as many as the previous year. The agency levied a record $7 million in civil fines on businesses that employed illegal workers.
Contrast this with the Bush Administration and the difference is apparent:
Enforcement activity during the Bush administration focused on high-profile raids in which thousands of illegal immigrants were arrested and placed in deportation proceedings. Relatively few companies and their executives were prosecuted. In contrast, the Obama administration has made employers the center of its immigration policy with "silent raids."
In the new Congress, often you will hear Republican members of the House Judiciary Sub Committee on Immigration complain that the Obama administrtation is not tough enough on enforcement. The data clearly shows that not only are they tough on enforcement but that they are effecient. Which is not something that can be said about the last President in office. Nor can it be said about the enforcement policies of the GOP controlled Congress for the six years when they controlled both chambers. This is not partisan sniping it is more to point out that for all the politicized complaining about security, over the last three years of the current admnistration there has been a healthy emphasis on security and enforcement laws.
http://ndn.org/blog/2011/01/obama-administration-plans-intensify-crack-down-employers-who-hire-undocumented-workers
Hmmm... Seems like the federal government is doing its job to me.
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President Obama continues to do more to crack down on employers of illegal immigrants and illegal immigrants who are violent offenders, which I absolutely agree with.
I would rather the focus be on criminals rather than the gardener just trying to feed his family.
And by the way, states having their own immigration policies is like states having their own foreign policy for dealing with other countries...just doesn't make sense.
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McSpocky
And yet there are still12 million illegal aliens in the U.S.
So they may be doing a job and maybe doing better than the last administration, but they still suck at it and need to do the job better so that there are ZERO illegal aliens in the U.S.
I think the employers of and the illegally employed illegal aliens should be dealt with swiftly and harshly wherever they are found.
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I got a solution to a lot of this. Make it FEDERAL / STATE LAW that EVERY EMPLOYER no matter how small or how big be required to use E-Verify and do background checks on every employee or face a wrath of fines, penalties, etc, etc. If the illegals can't get jobs legally.. they will simply return home or not even risk sneaking over. If they get caught using fake ID / forms / or using tax payer services illegally.. make it an instant felony, deportation, jail, and ban from re-entry from 20 years to life depending on severity.
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Simplistic Reality
I like it and think to could be implemented fairly easily and inexpensively.
Punish the employers and the illegals equally severely and immediately and the problem will go away
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McSpocky
And yet there are still12 million illegal aliens in the U.S.
So they may be doing a job and maybe doing better than the last administration, but they still suck at it and need to do the job better so that there are ZERO illegal aliens in the U.S.
I think the employers of and the illegally employed illegal aliens should be dealt with swiftly and harshly wherever they are found.
They contribute more to the economy than take from it... I guess that is why right wingers want to get rid of them. Anything to hurt the economy and make Obama fail. *sigh*
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So are people going to allow this country to become like 1930s Germany? Things started out the same way there too, and people didn't care...
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#4 - Sat Jun 11, 2011 8:13 PM EDTYes they will. People who have an expectations gap tend to want to blame someone for their percieved failure to achieve and the people who are different are always the first to get the blame. If you think humanity will ever learn from it's mistakes, you've got another thing coming.
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People who have entered the country from our southern border are being hated like the Germans hated 1930s Jews. Why isn't this obvious to people? I guess the right wing brainwashes people as effectively as 1930 Germans did with their people.
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It has often been said in my home state of Arizona from critics of Arizona's government, "Arizona the Alabama of the West". It has proven true and this article further illustrates this. The South, some of the Midwest, Intermountain West, and the South West have gotten extremely conservative in the last thirty years. All reason and rationality have been tossed out the window for extreme right-wing activist politics.
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#5 - Sat Jun 11, 2011 10:43 PM EDTIt's people who are getting fed up with the problem and the Federal Government not doing jack @!$%# to stop it.
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It's people getting brainwashed by the right...a pure and simplistic reality.
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