Republicans Support Strip Clubs on Ground Zero Sacred Ground

"...fact that landing gear from one of the planes landed at the area where the mosque is to be built and that's the reason that the area two blocks away is considered by some to be sacred."

Some folks are now worshippiing landing gear?

Bring out the holy hand grenade of Antioch!

no mention in the article of when those other businesses such as the mentioned strip clubs opened for operation. Could they have been there prior to 9-11 and therefore not be relevant to the modern day debate?

You do know that their existing mosque is six blocks away from the proposed new site, right?

Harry Reid will be pleased to know that he is now part of the republican movement against this since he has also now publicly condemned it as have many other democrats who never knew apparently that the author of this so called story considers them part of the republican masses

Ah, mid term elections, let's take Harrys pulse again after elections and find out what he really thinks.

I have seen several seeds suggesting strip clubs and gay bars ON NEWSVINE so, OK opinion piece, but has its roots in intolerance! Been seen HERE!

If the site was such sacred, holy ground... Why didn't these people buy it when it was on the market in order to set up the memorial they obviously are obsessing over?

Some folks are now worshippiing landing gear?

I didn't try to claim there was sanity to the reasoning only stated why some appear to feel that way.

Just for thought here at the risk of sounding like some of the pundits against the mosque. How many of the 9-11 hijackers were strippers or servers at Hooters?

How many murderers in this country are men? If we apply the same logic to that question as people are applying to Muslims then it looks like they all are.

How many Christian or religious domestic terrorists have we had in this country? Army of God, KKK, Christian Identity, Christian Patriot, Lambs of Christ, Huratee, Jewish Defense League and of course McVeigh, Roeder.

You don't see the country demanding Christians move their churches away from doctors clinics or government buildings. I bet the Catholic Church can build a church next to a playground.

This whole thing should never have gotten this big. It's ridiculous.

Like the republicans you obviously don't unedstand that criminals are criminals no matter what religion they claim to belong to. The IRA were all criminals who claimed to be catholics so we should not allow the Catholic Church in Northern Ireland. The republicans just talk to make noise not sense.

The morals in our society (or the lack thereof) is showing... Freedom of religion - BAD! Wrapping around a pole and wiggling for a buck - TOTALLY ACCEPTABLE!

Wrapping around a pole and wiggling for a buck - TOTALLY ACCEPTABLE!

Hey, don't be trashing on strip clubs! Some of us wouldn't mind them and the mosque being there.

im with inferno. strippers have rights too.

as far as the mosque, i would defer to the free people of new york on that (although i believe they have the right to open the center). truth is, two of the worlds largest buildings didnt rain down on my head and engulf my city with death and debris from 3000 people. while my world changed that day i am sure not to the degree of those who live and work in the city of new york. out of respect for that i would not open the center if it were up to me.

Of course, if we're going to ask the families of those who were in the building or the folks who lived in New York City on that terrible day we will also be polling Muslims. So many of these posts read like they don't know that, um, "free" people of New York or America in general includes Muslims.

The point of the article isn't whether or not strippers have rights to live and work near the World Trade Center site. The point is whether or not Muslim Americans do - pointing out the unsavory elements that freely inhabit "sacred ground" merely points out the sheer hypocrisy of the fuss and suggests the hubbub just might really be about some stuff that's even more unsavory.

There is a pictur in another seed by Carloz showing the mens Club

Hope springs eternal.

Well said. You captured the whole argument well, and I hope others read it.

ill troll if you dont mind.

first off, nobody is saying that there shouldnt be any mosques (at least nobody that i support)... so lets get over the idea that others already exist and have existed within a given geography. im sure there are hookers on the streets somewhere as well.

the idea is that this center is NEW. now i dont live in new york. when the towers came down that day, it was a very emotional day for me. however, i can only assume that the suffrage of the residents of new york was much greater. the cleaning of the debris off cars streets buildings everthing. while i hopped on a bus and went to work like i always did, they were scrambling to see if any friends and loved ones were dead. they did this for weeks and weeks and weeks. so who am i to tell them they have to be tolerant.

i am sure that in time healing will occur and memories will be less sharp. one day their may be a monument dedicated to the muslim faith right there at the twin towers... obviously though, that day is not today.

the shrines at pearl harbor were not there before the war against japan was complete were they? Many countries still have issues with what occured during that war.

i would agree with you that sharia law would have a hell of a time getting into our court system. but i wouldnt be suprised if somehow they are allowed to practice it amongst themselves.

on my trolling wrapup,... supporting this mosque is very similar to supporting Dr. Laura and her freedom of speech. my stance is that she has the right to say what she said but think she showed bad taste in saying it.

besides, a week after it opens, everyone will move onto the next big thing.

If you explore this issue a little bit more, California Militia, you'll find that several mosques in several different communities (one in California and one in Wisconsin come to mind immediately) are being opposed. The protests are not limited to Ground Zero, they are happening routinely to block the building of Islamic places of worship.

And I have to wonder again who we are supposed to be sensitive towards if it doesn't include the Muslim Americans who died in the buildings, their families, and just the average Joe Muslim citizens of New York who survived this tragedy as well...

Californina Militia -

You have a lot to learn about trolling. That was a crappy troll. Experienced trolls generally have their conclusions wrapped into their statements - and they throw in a few gratuitous insults. I can't give you very high marks since you leave the door open for actual discussion.

"the idea is that this center is NEW"

That's a thought that some have. However, the prayer area is not new. It is currently being used as an 'overflow area' for the larger, real mosque about 10 blocks up Broadway, and it has been used as such for several years now. I tend to think of the Park51 project as a rehabilitation of the current damaged building to allow other uses - and not the introduction of Muslim prayer into an area where it isn't now.

"the shrines at pearl harbor were not there before the war against japan was complete were they?"

There are no shrines at Pearl Harbor, although there are a few Shinto and Buddhist temples within about 5 miles or so of Ford Island. The Shinto Shrine (Hawaii Kotohira Jinsha-Hawaii Dazaifu Tenmangu) is about 6 miles SSE of Ford Island (not too far from Hickham) at 1239 Olomea Street Honolulu, HI 96817-3343 just off of H-1, and it has been there since 1920. The shrine has had an interesting history. Activities diminished (as you can imagine) after Pearl Harbor but the shine didn't actually formally close until 1946. It tried to re-open on the last day of 1947, but it didn't have a priest. Then, in mid-1948 the federal government confiscated the property. The feds tried to sell the property in 1949, but the shrine organization sued the government and won. I haven't looked at the lawsuit - but it may give some interesting insight into federal/religious/'good v. bad idea'-type of situation. The Buddhist Temple (the Byodo-In) was built in 1968.

"i would agree with you that sharia law would have a hell of a time getting into our court system. but i wouldnt be suprised if somehow they are allowed to practice it amongst themselves."

What some Muslims in England have done is to put a 'binding arbitration' clause into contracts. Then, if disputes arise, they take it to a Muslim cleric for 'arbitration'. The cleric then interprets the situation according to Shari'a Law. As long as the final outcome doesn't conflict with 'regular' British laws, then everything is OK. That approach seems to meld 'regular' British Law with Shari'a Law.

You're really going to have to work on your trolling if this is an example of what you can do. I'd point you to some good Newsvine examples, but I'm sure you've already seen them. Practice, practice, practice.

The only reason countries are upset with japan are that the japanese killed way more people than pearl harbor and WTC combined and then mulitplied by 10. THe other issue is that the japanese government keep on changing numbers and don't always take full responsibility.

shebow "And I have to wonder again who we are supposed to be sensitive towards if it doesn't include the Muslim Americans who died in the buildings, their families, and just the average Joe Muslim citizens of New York who survived this tragedy as well..."

you are only supposed to be sensative when it comes to family. you should be sensative to everyone, not just the muslims who were caught up in the tragedy, but all americans who were. seems that in our defense of the minority we have forgotten that the majority also has feelings that can be hurt.

My point, which you so neatly missed CA Militia, is that the people opposing this mosque use language that suggests the Muslim American community is tied ONLY to those 19 individuals who terrorized the entire country on that horrible day. They are using language that suggests our country is at war with a religion that is followed by some 7 million American citizens. The opponents also speak with great solemnity about honoring the families of the victims when they demand the cultural center move elsewhere - even though a great many of the families support the center or aren't bothered at all by the idea of it.

I think when you folks are talking about sensitivity and hurt feelings you're only speaking about your own. Now that's a minority opinion. Maybe I wasn't in New York City on 9/11/2001, but I think as an American citizen I still have a right to my opinion - even if it hurts you to read it.

so who am i to tell them they have to be tolerant.

Our constitution demands it; we ARE Americans, and that is the very thing we stand for; equality and tolerance.

It's unpatriotic to say otherwise.

i am sure that in time healing will occur and memories will be less sharp. one day their may be a monument dedicated to the muslim faith right there at the twin towers... obviously though, that day is not today.

It's almost been a decade; I say that day is now. Prejudice has run rampant for too long. It's time to heal the wounds.

supporting this mosque is very similar to supporting Dr. Laura and her freedom of speech.

That's not a good comparison; she's very deliberately, being intolerant and demeaning someone of a different skin color. She's egging on violence and segregation.

These Muslims have already CLEARLY stated they are peaceful, and do not mean any harm to us. Why do you group all Muslims into a negative light? You're suggesting that all Muslims are out to kill us.

The only reason countries are upset with japan are that the japanese killed way more people than pearl harbor and WTC combined and then mulitplied by 10.

Well, let's not forget we've killed many of them; and without good cause...just sayin', we're not exactly pure as the driven snow.

Other countries don't hate us because of our freedom...

And I have to wonder again who we are supposed to be sensitive towards if it doesn't include the Muslim Americans who died in the buildings, their families, and just the average Joe Muslim citizens of New York who survived this tragedy as well..

I am one who lost a dear friend in the attacks, and I support this mosque. He wasn't killed my Muslims or their religion; he was killed by intolerance and extremism.

If you want to fight terrorists, fight intolerance, not a religion.

"...cause...just sayin', we're not exactly pure as the driven snow."

Uh oh. There! Now you've gone and done it! You've just completely destroyed any argument that you may have had in the minds of a large sector of those who oppose the project.

Everyone knows that we are as pure as the driven snow. Who has saved the world at least twice, and probably three times in the past century? We have. Which is the best country on the face of the Earth - better than any that exists now, has existed in the past, or that will probably exist in the future? Ours. We apologize to no people - we don't have to, we have never done anything that warrants an apology, and even if we did, either they had it coming, they owe us for everything we've done for them so we get to say and do as we please, or they are so much lower on the ladder of evolution it would be a waste of time. Hell, it's distasteful enough to show simple respect - who are they that they have earned our respect?

No - your very own words reveal you to be un-American and certainly not one of 'we the people'. You are probably a 'closet-Muslim'.

Anathema6205

Beautifully said!

rls8r

LOL!!! Well said.

And neither did anyone from the proposed new mosque.

Neither did the thousands of peaceful American Muslims!

Muslims didn't diddle little boys. Why are churches allowed near elementary schools?

Its not a mosque. It is an Islamic Community Center. Good grief people a thirteen story building that only dedicates two stories for *prayer rooms*, does not indicate that its a mosque. If you don't like Muslims just because they are Muslims just say so.

At least then you can get your story straight and consistent. Just remember that those people that you are ostracising are Americans to, living and dying every day just like everyone else.

If you don't like Muslims just because they are Muslims just say so.

Yes, please. Just come out and tell us how you feel about the sand @!$%#s building their dirty little idols to Satan all over our once great country. I'm so sick of the @!$%#ing coded dog whistles the GOP throws out. If it was about "Sacred Ground Zero" (which is one of the most blasphemous violations of the ten commandments I've ever heard), why are the same groups opposing mosques all over the US?

We get it - ya'll hate muslims. Just think - there are a smaller percentage than Germany had of the Jews in 1930. Why not go for a Final Solution to your problem?

WTF is wrong with this country?

Strippers didn't fly airplanes in the WTC and kill 3,000 people.

You're right. But in the Quentin Tarantino version, they did.

Strippers didn't fly airplanes in the WTC and kill 3,000 people.

You're right. But in the Quentin Tarantino version, they did.

I would so watch that movie. Does that make me a terrible person?

Al-Qaeda flew the plane into WTC. Now the question is, does a small radical group represent a whole religion. Think of all the crazy christians throughout history and what people have done in name of God. They don't represent the christian religion. Why should Al Qaeda? It is frivilous comparing them to the whole religion. Maybe everytime westboro goes to protest a soldiers funeral, we should see them as representing christian religion.

I think the point just zipped over your head. Take your sarcasm detector in for repair: it needs calibration.

I will admit though that this is the most cleaver and elegant strawman that's been put out there yet.

That strawmans' got a cleaver in it!

Holy crap!

http://friendsoftheprogram.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/its-a-trap.jpg

No one is "concerned" about the strip clubs near Ground Zero. But to have them and then fight the building of a cultural center that happens to be Muslim is the irony. You do see that, right? Strip clubs are morally acceptable, but religious centers aren't. Let them BOTH exist.

did you not see my comment made above?

Not in the least you did not understand what you read. nobody is

oops euterpe said it already

For the one-millionth time. It has nothing to do with the constitution. Their right to build the mosque is not the objection. It's their insensitivity.

Because the sins of a few are greater then the whole of a culture. Unless its "us" then the few are devants that didn't fit into society.

You are comparing apples and oranges. What was done to black citizens was reprehensible. This is an arguement about compassion and of understanding for the families of the victims.

Go for it. I have no objections whatsoever. Once again, you miss the irony of the situation. It is your side that is picking and choosing.

You cannot cherry pick the causes you like. If it's one group's Constitutional rights, it's also the rights of all.

Didn't you at least hear something whizzing by when it went over your head? And I'm not FOR anyone building anything. I'm FOR anyone that has gone through the proper processes to be able to do whatever is lawful. That's all. Oh, without bigots screaming in their faces and making all of us look ugly, if that's possible.

lol, I have no problem whatsoever with a strip club; what the author was pointing out, (and you seemed to be looking in the opposite direction) was that the republicans are the ones saying one can't build something that is supposed to be protected by the separation of church and state clause, as that land is...."sacred" because a wheel landed on it....while saying they're going to build something opposite of it that they themselves are opposed to having built...just to piss off these "terrorists."

You DO know the republican right is also the religious right, correct?

You DO know the religious people of this country often preach against strip clubs and any other erm..."ungodly" behavior, right?

And you DO know that they're proposing a GAY bar, nonetheless! The same gays that they are so feverishly trying to oppress with the prop 8!

Do you see the irony? Because they sure don't.

They're going to be supporting EVERYTHING they're opposed to just for committing the "eye for an eye" actions that Christ himself looked down on as immoral. XD

They're proposing a strip club on this "sacred ground!"

You cannot cherry pick the causes you like. If it's one group's Constitutional rights, it's also the rights of all.

Yes, that's the whole point. I hear chest-thumping b----ing about the mosque, but no chest-thumping b----ing about Ground Zero lap dances. I guess Ground Zero is "sacred" only to the extent where we embrace those silicone yahbos but keep out those dern towerlheads.

Surely, those of you that support the building of the mosque also support the building os a strip club, right?

Yes! What makes you think otherwise?

Surely, those of you that support the building of the mosque also support the building os a strip club, right?

I'll support strip clubs the moment the bouncers don't ask about how old I am.

No we say the BS about this being sacred ground is BS. Carloz has a nice article on what is in this sacred ground go look for yourself. that one article blows the hell out of this silly argument that this is somehow scred ground. Now we have people expanding the size of the catastrophy so the edge is closer to the site of this center.

No one is saying that they don't have the right to build. People are questioning the motive. The Muslims should show some compassion for the victims families.

I think that their motive is to show Muslims around the world that the U.S. is not at war with Islam.

I think that they are trying to make the world a place where there will not be more victims' families that need compassion.

http://daryllang.com/blog/4421

Here is the site.

So I assume all Catholic Churches near elementary schools should be closed forthwith, and all churches near abortion clinics shut down as well?

After all, we must protect the victims sensibilities and damn all of a particular faith for the sins of a few! Or does your thinking only apply to Muslims? If so, I smell the rank stench of hypocrisy.

We have enough of that with illegals,

respect for the families who lost love ones on 9-11

Wedge issues created by the GOP. Stats for illegal immigration has been in a downward trend for years.

The most important thing on most American citizens minds is the economy and during mid term elections the GOP goes where? The NYC mosque and anti immigration. This leaves me to believe they have nothing to offer on the economy.

Personally I have no problems with the mosque, however if you do, you should write to Republican Senator Orrin Hatch who introduced a bill in the Senate as S.2869 on July 13, 2000, known as the Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act. A Republican Congress passed the bill. The bill, among other things, legally protects religions from most local and state zoning laws.

Then ask your Republican congressman why they are not addressing the existing Pentagon mosque as well.

Right-wing silence about Pentagon mosque betrays Ground Zero flap as phony wedge issue
http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2010/08/06/right-wing-silence-concerning-pentagon-mosque-betrays-ground-zero-flap-as-trumped-up-wedge-issue/

Still waiting for apologizes from Muslims

Google it, there are pages of denouncements from Muslim clerics and academics concerning 9/11, however this is not newsworthy enough by most media outlets.

Adipic, if you feel that Catholic churchs are hurting families, then yes the church should respect those families that are hurt. The assumption of hurt to families is not sufficient to ask for respect but the families in NY have been hurt.

As for the pentagon mosque, this is to serve military members; however, there are relatively few muslims around where they want to build the mosque in NY.

if you feel that Catholic churchs are hurting families

The people in SNAP sure think so, so by your reasoning all Catholic churches near schools should be dismantled under state authority. Or, once again, does your fear and prejudice only extend to Muslims?

Me personally? Let em build it. I'm more likely to avail myself of the strip club, personally, but this is America, not a Christian version of Saudi Arabia, no matter how much the Christian Taliban wants it to be.

Remember, if you want to deny this, then you can't condemn the whackdoodles in Afghanistan blowing up Buddhas or the Hindu fundamentalists in India killing Christian missionaries. You've essentially admitted that your co-religionists are just as intolerant.

there are relatively few muslims around where they want to build the mosque in NY.

Before 1970 there were fewer than ten mosques in New York City—now there are well over a hundred, indicating the rapid growth of New York City’s Muslim population.
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/news/01/05/muslim.html

“Numbering an estimated 600,000, Muslims now represent one of the fastest growing religious communities in New York City,” said Peter Awn, co-principal investigator and
Columbia University dean of the School of General Studies. http://www.columbia.edu/cu/news/04/09/muslims.html

As for the pentagon mosque, this is to serve military members

??? They can serve in our military as US citizens and a mosque is sanctioned on your behalf but as tax paying citizens of NYC they are excluded from providing citizens a community center???? Do explain this hole you have dug yourself into.

The assumption of hurt to families is not sufficient to ask for respect but the families in NY have been hurt.

Yeah, the notion that altar-boy-touching priests have actually hurt those boys and their families is simply an empty assumption. After all, everyone could use an unsolicited fondling every once in a while.

As for the pentagon mosque, this is to serve military members

And that, of course makes it totally OK, because as long as a Muslim is in the US military, then they're immune to generalizations about Muslims and 9/11. This makes perfect sense.

Geez, Beckyal, fundamentalist Christians with military training blew up the Oklahoma City federal building; a fundamentalist Christian bombed women's health clinics AND the olympic park in Atlanta. Catholic priests diddle anyone under 18 not otherwise protected from them. I am still waiting for my apologies from all fundamentalists and every single catholic - whether or not they agree or find morally repugnant what these people did. Doesn't matter. Paint 'em all with the same brush. Enemies of the state. Enemies of MINE.

You must also be a strong supporter of apologies and repairations for descendants of slaves, the tribes that occupied this country before the european terrorist invasions began, and the american citizens who were interred in this country during WWII.

Just to avoid any confusion, read this with a note of sarcasm.

No stop right there Terrorists who may have been muslims did....

McVeigh was a christian did we tell Oklahoma no christian information sites within x amount of blocks from his ground zero? Fo x put as many blocks in there as you choose.

You need to get out of this left wing echo chamber for a while and talk to some Americans.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_state_surveys/new_york/58_in_new_york_oppose_mosque_near_ground_zero

Hedward, Popularity of an idea might not be the surest way to judge the merits of it. I can think of many very popular ideas such as the Holocaust which were popular with the citizens of the place it was occurring. The majority has an amazing ability to be amoral at best and evil at worst. Please don't hang your arguments on the position of the majority. Reason will make your argument much stronger.

Holocaust? Are you for real? We're talking about moving the mosque uptown in a city that already has many mosque's to begin with. Spare us the melodrama.

ou need to get out of this left wing echo chamber for a while

rassmussin? Bwahhhhaahhhahhah

If the city has many mosques, why does the one needed to meddled with?

Hedward, Reference 12.4 No, I wasn't at the moment discussing the mosque. I was drawing your attention to a logical fallacy called argumentum ad populum. It is not all that unusual to use argumentum ad adsurdum to make a point, however. I just am trying to keep the argument going on an intellectual rather than an emotional (popularity) level. Polls only measure opinion, not how they were arrived at.

I don't know about your statement Roger, someone should do a seed asking how many Americans think we are at War with Islam, I would guess about 40%. give or take.

And that 40% would be wrong.

We are obviously not at war with Islam, nor have we ever been at war with them. If we had been, then all Muslims in this country would be prisoners of war. Even Bush/Cheney never said that we were at war with all of Islam. That would be ridiculous. We were/are at war only with terrorists. If you want to hate all Muslims, and if you consider yourself to be at war with all of Islam, that's up to you, I guess, but you would be part of a very small minority of right-wing extremists who believe that.

I don't know about your statement Roger, someone should do a seed asking how many Americans think we are at War with Islam, I would guess about 40%. give or take.

On Newsvine the right wingers know all you have to do is delete the cookie and you can vote numerous time along with their multiple logins they would run it up to 90%

dacincykid

I would put the number more at 60% of the general population. Sigh... As for the neo-cons on Newsvine, I agree with you totally.

What, you have just insulted a whole group of people you don't know and that many of them object to the strip club but we are talking about why the mosque should not be build verses the strip club. also remember that the article is someone's blog not fact.

What, you have just insulted a whole group of people you don't know

Did you know that irony doesn't mean "made of iron?"

remember that the article is someone's blog not fact.

So you're saying that there isn't a strip club near ground zero?

Say it ain't so, that was the only reason I was going next weekend.

Its there here is the link to things the same distance as the culture center
http://daryllang.com/blog/4421

I did not see some rightie say this seed was from a blog did I?

Teddy Kennedy before he got remarried went to strip clubs all the time. Didn't seem to bother liberals so why are they throwing stones. Not all republicans stress family values anymore than democrats do. If they do stress the values and get caught then they deserve the insults but if they don't and people don't know if the clubs are used by democrats or republicans then they really shouldn't be throwing stones. Also the article is someone's opinion (blog) and just another way to try to slam individuals since Obama is lossing.

Again, Becky, you miss the irony. Republicans certainly did get their underwear in knots about Ted's indiscretions, yet they find it perfectly acceptable that such an establishment is closer to Most Holy Ground Zero, Peace Be Upon It than this community center is.

It is quite obvious that 90% of the objections to this establishment are xenophobia, plain and simple. We're being as tribal about this as any Pashtun in Afghanistan is.

90% of the objections to this establishment are xenophobia

Well yeah, xeno's scare the crap outta me

8)

But with conservatives it is the central part of their platform.

Also the article is someone's opinion (blog) and just another way to try to slam individuals since Obama is lossing.

I see you in sscotts blog infested seeds do I not. Without blogs the right could not even seed on Newsvine. Go back to the top and read it says Opinion even though your side likes to post things like this as news and you have to change it and sometimes get banned for a time......

Why didn't those in a position to speak out against the pedophilia in the Catholic Church do so earlier? Why did the Vatican make it policy to hide and protect and move those priests around?

Same reason that peaceful Americans are lumped with those that the some muslims want to kill.

Same reason that peaceful Americans are lumped with those that the some muslims want to kill.

Yeah! If violent Islamic fundamentalists do it, then we can, too!

... oh wait.

Darlene Bays, what are you personally doing to counteract the messages or actions of Christians or Americans who behave badly, criminally, repugnantly, etc? Did you apologize for the Oklahoma City bombing or for the Columbine massacre? I'm curious since you think that normal people going about their day to day lives in much the same fashion as you or I need to take time out to apologize to you or me because people who claim to believe in the same religion do reprehensible things in the name of it. People tend to respond or react out loud more to those things impacting their actual day to day lives. For peaceful, law-abiding Muslim Americans, they are probably more interested in reflecting to the public more about the unreasonable and unjustified bigotry they are now experiencing routinely from their fellow Americans. Well, what do you know? Something else to apologize about...

And no one is generalizing the behavior of pedophile priests to all Christians. Therein lies the difference.

Sorry to say Becky, but the comments you've made make it painfully clear that you don't understand what is being discussed here.

Read up on irony and hypocrisy (also see two-faced).

After that take a glance at the constitution.

Time to hit the (non-Texan) books

That humor is not lost on me. Another peice of morbid humor: First they came for my coat... but I didn't say anything because I wasn't cold.

I don't think anyone realized what an emotional issue six blocks could be until the GOP made it one. Their existing center is only six blocks away from the new one.

then keep it there............they saw that this was just another chance to stick it to us.

they saw that this was just another chance to stick it to us.

Wow, you can read their minds or are you a spokesman for the Muslim community? I'm not going to propose that I can read your mind, but I would guess no on both accounts.

they saw that this was just another chance to stick it to us.

I usually like spirited debate, but "us versus them" comments like this one over the last few days have just been depressing me. "They" are not doing this to hurt your feelings. "They" are peaceful Americans who grew out of their old location, legally purchased new land, and decided to devote almost the entire building to community building projects including a non-religious center for quiet reflection on 9/11. Get over your hate.

I would like to know how many Muslims live in the vicinity of the proposed mosque. It looks like the area is a business district. The smart thing would have been to build a mosque near where the flock lives.

Muslims aren't like Methodists. They pray five times a day (at least, they do if they're able). Two of the times are during the work day - one around lunchtime and one around 5:00 or so. They believe that praying in groups is better than praying alone. So - it is good if they have a place that they can easily reach during lunch and around 5 - pray - and then get back to work.

They do not gather together once a week and go to their neighborhood mosque.

Relax, kathy. The headline is satirical, meant to poke fun at how opponents of the mosque keep calling it "hallowed ground" despite a bevy of distinctly un-hallowed businesses already in operation the same distance from Ground Zero. One is New York Dolls, a gentleman's club. So since no one seems to regard the strip club's proximity to Ground Zero as poor taste, it's bizarre to be so upset about a peaceful community center and mosque.

I understand why he wrote the headline. However, I find the headline to be of poor taste. I feel that it takes away from the authors points and make the argument look ridiculous from the beginning. It's hard to take someone seriously when they begin their point with an insult to an entire political party.

When I hear Newt, Palin and the rest come out against closing the strip clubs and bars in this area they call "sacred," I will call this headline inaccurate. But as it stands now, it is right on. GOP like kathy here don't like having their hypocrisy highlighted so clearly.

Wow. You must be psychic! It's crazy that you know me enough to call me a hypocrite!

It's even funnier because I'm not a Republican.

Get over yourself.

For someone who claims not to be a Republican, you sure have their talking points down pat.

Because I have an opinion on the headline? I can discuss what your talking points are like, but it would be a waste. You obviously know so much already.

Because your opinion is a direct match to the GOP talking points on the issue.

I have yet to give my opinion on the article at all.. I was simply commenting on the headline. You really need to wake up and read before you just start insulting.

Amen to that

or the highway.

I thought the dems passed a highway jobs bill...lol