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The crack in the roof of the world: 'Yes, global warming is real - and deeply worrying'

Seeded on Tue Aug 10, 2010 2:27 PM EDT
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Around me is an endless expanse of searing white beneath an unmarked blue August sky. In front of me is a roaring, angry river of the richest, brilliant turquoise, churning at 20 knots through a crystal gorge fringed with icicles.

This river runs deep, possibly 13ft. Not a speck of dust, mud, weed or debris pollutes its flawless, azure depths.

Despite being only 100ft across, this mighty channel carries more water than the Thames, and if I fell in I would have about 20 seconds to live.

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McSpocky

For many people, what I am looking at is the beginning of the end; the first concrete sign that the stability upon which our civilisation depends is about to crumble into an overheated future.

  • 8 votes
Reply#1 - Tue Aug 10, 2010 2:27 PM EDT
gwen-450413

Didn't Henny Penny say something similar-"The sky is falling!The sky is falling!"

Climate Change does not equal Man-made Global Warming.

  • 2 votes
Reply#2 - Tue Aug 10, 2010 2:38 PM EDT
Que2646

Chicken Little was about overreacting. We've known for over 30 years that we have a serious problem that we must address. Claiming we are overreacting is a bit much.

  • 11 votes
#2.1 - Tue Aug 10, 2010 3:13 PM EDT
bobbievee

Yea, and the Robot was always screaming "Warning, Will Robinson!" And, he was right.

  • 12 votes
#2.2 - Tue Aug 10, 2010 4:23 PM EDT
Brandon-801865

I don't think that anyone denies that the Earth goes through natural warming and cooling periods. At least once in its history, Earth was covered in ice 1 mile deep.

The point is, to the Deniers out there (how frightening that that is now a Proper Noun), humans have rapidly accelerated a warming period catastrophically faster than periods of the past (barring asteroid hits or sudden volcanic eruptions).

We are affecting the climate from our greenhouse-gas-producing actions ever since the First Industrial Revolution of the 18th and 19th centuries. Developing countries are following in Western footsteps.

So simple, a Caveman could understand it.

  • 9 votes
#2.3 - Thu Aug 12, 2010 2:08 PM EDT
Bob Nelson.

So simple, a Caveman could understand it.

What does that tell you about Deniers?

;-)))

  • 5 votes
#2.4 - Fri Nov 11, 2011 11:19 AM EST
Dave 49

If your Right i'm Willing to go to Jail for all my Miss informing and lieing to ManKind .. Are You Willing to Do the same or will you be Another one Totally againts it till its to late then say Opp Oh well (No Accoutabilty)The G.O.P.WAY

  • 1 vote
#2.5 - Sat Nov 12, 2011 9:24 AM EST
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onevoiceamongmany

The iceberg that was floating towards Australia the other year was a concrete sign as well.

Gwen -

Over 90%-95% of climate scientists who are published are proponents of global warming and that man has indeed played a large role.

There are in fact global shifts in the climate. However this specific shift is based on mass amounts of CO2 being put into the atmosphere due to industrialization. Others have been caused by vulcanization, large asteroid strikes, and super volcanoes from what we can tell.

I doubt there will ever be a "smoking gun". However the trend that has come into view over the past 20-40 years has been that the climate is indeed changing and that man does have an impact.

  • 11 votes
Reply#3 - Tue Aug 10, 2010 3:14 PM EDT
Colorado Bob

The Mail is a denier paper, and the writer was a denier as well , and like Inhfoe's Igloo they are all melting like the Greenland ice sheet.

  • 8 votes
Reply#4 - Tue Aug 10, 2010 4:03 PM EDT
cookin mama

i just heard from a friend that a big chunk of greenland ice shelf broke off not a good thing.

  • 9 votes
#4.1 - Tue Aug 10, 2010 6:29 PM EDT
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Dave 49

About Global Warming To a Democrat no explanation is needed to a Republican,no explanation will suffice

  • 7 votes
Reply#5 - Wed Aug 11, 2010 7:26 PM EDT
McSpocky

Good point...

  • 5 votes
#5.1 - Wed Aug 11, 2010 10:01 PM EDT
onevoiceamongmany

What about independents?

  • 2 votes
#5.2 - Thu Aug 12, 2010 12:34 PM EDT
bobbievee

As one would expect, Independents' opinions fall in between that of Democrats and Republicans. October 2009 Pew Research poll:

http://people-press.org/report/556/global-warming

  • 3 votes
#5.3 - Thu Aug 12, 2010 1:09 PM EDT
Que2646

That's an interesting poll as it shows that the Republican propaganda has made a difference in the numbers. John McCain in 2006 proposed addressing climate change based on sound science and many republicans went on record as endorsing cap-and-trade. Now, opposition has become a Republican talking point. See http://que2646.newsvine.com/_news/2010/07/22/4733187-the-republican-flipflop-on-cap-and-trade

  • 5 votes
#5.4 - Thu Aug 12, 2010 1:31 PM EDT
onevoiceamongmany

That's some interesting info. That is what I suspected but curious if anyone had some hard data. And what do you know my good friend bobbievee pulls through ;). I appreciate it.

I am personally a supporter and advocate for global climate change. I think there is too much evidence out there to support it and the fact that so many in that particular field have a unanimous opinion of it kinda bodes well for the theory. If you sit around and actually watch how the earth has changed over the past 20 years it is astounding.

  • 6 votes
#5.5 - Thu Aug 12, 2010 1:31 PM EDT
bobbievee

Thank you, onevoice. I wonder what a global climate change poll would reveal? My guess is that the worldwide belief in AGW might be higher than it is in the U.S.

  • 5 votes
#5.6 - Thu Aug 12, 2010 1:39 PM EDT
onevoiceamongmany

I think I saw a poll once where it was exactly that. I will see if I can find it here in the following minutes.

  • 6 votes
#5.7 - Thu Aug 12, 2010 4:41 PM EDT
onevoiceamongmany

Here is one http://www.globescan.com/news_archives/bbc2009_climate_change/BBC09_Climate_Change.pdf

  • 6 votes
#5.8 - Thu Aug 12, 2010 4:42 PM EDT
bobbievee

Excellent! Once again, the U.S. is falling behind the rest of the world. I'm sure the same was said about the Roman Empire centuries ago. Here's an excerpt:

Public concern about climate change is at its highest level since GlobeScan began
international tracking in 1998, according to a new GlobeScan/BBC World Service poll
conducted in 23 countries. Nearly two thirds of those polled now say climate change is a “very serious” problem. However, concern has fallen in China and the USA.

On the eve of the UN climate change summit in Copenhagen, only six per cent of the 24,000 people polled want their government to oppose a climate deal being reached in Denmark. The poll also shows that, in spite of the global recession, an average of 61% support their governments making investments to address climate change, even if these investments hurt the economy.

However, the poll finds that public opinion in the world’s two largest emitters of CO2 is more ambivalent. While the Chinese are the most likely to support government investments to address climate change even if these harm the economy (with 89% in favour), only 52% of Americans feel the same way. Also, the percentage of American (45%) and Chinese citizens (57%) who see climate change as “very serious” is below the 23-country average of 64%.

  • 5 votes
#5.9 - Thu Aug 12, 2010 4:54 PM EDT
Que2646

Thanks for the link. I hadn't realized that there was an international poll on climate change.

  • 4 votes
#5.10 - Thu Nov 10, 2011 6:21 PM EST
Colorado Bob

A poll of people in the life sciences , over 550, just said there is a 100 % chance of a major die-off happening as we type.

  • 4 votes
#5.11 - Thu Nov 10, 2011 8:55 PM EST
Rainbow Warrior

Denial of fact

In this form of denial, someone avoids a fact by lying. This lying can take the form of an outright falsehood (commission), leaving out certain details to tailor a story (omission), or by falsely agreeing to something (assent, also referred to as "yessing" behavior). Someone who is in denial of fact is typically using lies to avoid facts they think may be painful to themselves or others.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial

  • 3 votes
#5.12 - Thu Nov 10, 2011 11:04 PM EST
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wcalvin

267 billion tons of water melting from Greenland into the world's oceans and increasing sea levels and impacting our weather patterns is "serious business". Considering calmities today we need to be astute scientifically and in alignment with the divine keeping all natural forces in balance these billions of years our earth has been in existence.

  • 5 votes
Reply#6 - Thu Nov 10, 2011 11:01 AM EST
Bob Nelson.

I'm old enough that I needn't worry for myself.

But Deniers may be killing my grandson, and that pisses me off.

How do other grandparents out there feel?

  • 6 votes
Reply#7 - Fri Nov 11, 2011 11:22 AM EST
Que2646

Well I'll certainly survive as I'm getting up there too. I'm concerned about my grandchildren, my children, and even about the present as many of the extreme weather events we have witnessed this year have been made more extreme by global warming. We had the hottest summer on record in Oklahoma, extreme droughts, wildfires that burned within a mile of my house and destroyed thousands of acres, dozens of homes and even caused a couple of deaths. And this week, we had several tornadoes which are highly unusual in Oklahoma in November. It is affecting us right now and if our politicians don't act soon, we may have to write off civilization in a few generations.

  • 5 votes
#7.1 - Fri Nov 11, 2011 12:04 PM EST
McSpocky

For people who aren't worried about themselves, they definitely should care about their children's and grandchildren's well being. For those that don't, do they think if they grab enough money now their offspring will be able to buy their way out of any disaster or what? I don't get it...

  • 5 votes
#7.2 - Fri Nov 11, 2011 1:50 PM EST
Que2646

Well, lots of money does lift people above the harm that is done by their actions. A lot of it is just egotism, selfishness, and just looking out for number one. I'm not sure if they have much empathy for others or have thought about the next generation or two. If seems like short-term thinking has dominated politics and business decisions recently.

  • 4 votes
#7.3 - Fri Nov 11, 2011 2:22 PM EST
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HydeWhyte

The big question is: is this a temporary blip, a short- term warming that will correct itself in a few years? Or is something far more sinister and long-term going on?

There are other theories regarding those questions.

Rev 16:8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.

Not saying this is what is happening mind you; just presenting another theory I've heard about.

  • 2 votes
Reply#8 - Sat Nov 12, 2011 5:58 AM EST
rational thought-3748544

Without understanding comes superstition.

  • 3 votes
Reply#9 - Sun Nov 13, 2011 5:55 PM EST
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